So close, even before campaigning begins, as new poll puts support for independence at 49%


Back in mid-September, Panelbase had support at 43% and Survation had it at 46%. An earlier Panelbase poll had it at only 40% but a new Panelbase poll for Wings over Scotland puts support at 49% for an independent Scotland in the EU. Remember, this is all before we see the Brexit deal or no deal, before campaigning begins, before Boris nearly starts a war with Russia or some other country, before we see NHS England in meltdown before our eyes, on the BBC News at 6, and before the strengthening Scottish economy becomes more widely known than the Unionist media are desperately trying to prevent us knowing.

With a Yes campaign anything like the vital and inclusive, social-media-based, phenomenon we saw in 2014, we can surely push this over the line. The odds are it’ll be even stronger this time with more youngsters and senior citizens on the streets and online, battering the Unionist arguments to death, but with a winning smile.

As for the No campaign, they’re even worse-off for leadership or a coherent rationale than they were in 2014. Labour and the Tories won’t stand together this time and their leadership is even less impressive than Darling, Brown and Cameron were. I know, that takes some doing. As for Better Together, that’s a busted flush as we’re thrown out of the EU, as the frigates, less of them, get built in places other than the Clyde and as the Royal Navy becomes a laughing stock.

Happy New Year!


23 thoughts on “So close, even before campaigning begins, as new poll puts support for independence at 49%

  1. George December 22, 2017 / 6:40 pm

    When was the survey undertaken? Before or after the budget announcement?

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    • johnrobertson834 December 22, 2017 / 8:30 pm

      Haven’t seen the details yet of time or methods but you’re right to wonder about that. Mind you Yes-voters tend to be less well-paid and the better paid were already mostly lost to the cause.

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    • daibhidhdeux December 24, 2017 / 5:41 am

      Go directly on to the Wings over Scotland site for clarification.


  2. Dan Huil December 22, 2017 / 6:41 pm

    Merry Christmas. Can’t wait for 2018.

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  3. Ludo Thierry December 22, 2017 / 6:48 pm

    The power elites at Westminster/Whitehall/City can buy in lots of clever folk to spin for them. However, sometimes they make one wonder whether they are deliberately trying to give the uncommited elements of the Scottish electorate good reasons to vote for Indy next time.(From beeb Jockland site):

    Parents have reacted with anger to a Home Office decision to reject a visa application from a Canadian to teach Gaelic at a Scottish primary school.

    Sìne Halfpenny, from Nova Scotia, was the only person to apply for the vacancy at Bunessan Primary on Mull, which had been advertised since June.
    She studied at the Sabhal Mór Ostaig on Skye before becoming a Gaelic teacher in her native Canada.
    The Home Office said her application had “failed to meet requirements”.
    Argyll and Bute Council advertised the vacancy after parents called for a Gaelic education unit at the school, which has nearly 40 pupils.

    Well – those parents know which way to vote from now on. The Home Office must know in their corporate memory banks that this type of decision guarantees a platform for Scotland’s Political/Educational/Cultural/Linguistic/Canadian lobbies to pile into action with Scottish control of Scottish immigration firmly in their sights?

    Another snippet that demonstrates things moving into territory which the Britnats will find harder to exercise such iron control of next time ( headline from beeb Jockland economics site):

    “Former Scottish Enterprise boss Lena Wilson joins RBS board” – So what you say? – Well – Lena Wilson was a very well regarded Scottish Enterprise supremo and in the Indyref 1 shitstorm she tried to bring a bit of sanity to the bilge being pumped out by msm/beeb regarding the Constitutional campaign deterring business (see below interview from 2012):

    Tuesday 10 April 2012
    As regards the constitutional battle raging in Edinburgh, she says that, at present, it is not having much impact on business one way or another. The next two years promise to be a diplomatic tightrope walk for the agencies like Scottish Enterprise which must stay decidedly neutral. “For a company like Samsung, the constitutional question makes no difference to them whatsoever,” she says. “I would say, broadly speaking, I don’t see any impact on our pipeline for investment and that’s not a political statement. It’s the truth.”

    Having someone with a voice of reason like this on the RBS board will make it a heck of a lot harder for the Treasury to put out misleading press releases (during the Board meeting if you recall?) stating that the bank would switch all its operations out of Scotland.

    These are all small things – but they add up to something worth having in the armoury come Indyref2.

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  4. broadbield December 22, 2017 / 7:17 pm

    Although the question was different, it’s still encouraging that the Yes vote is holding up, even before we’ve started campaigning. We’re not going away.

    Merry Christmas, John (and to all your readers), or as they say in Valencia province – where we are now – in Catalonian: “Bon Nadal”. And thanks for the daily good news – I don’t know how you do it – it’s a great uplift.

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  5. Gavin December 22, 2017 / 9:22 pm

    There is now a long term war of statistical attrition being played out with Scots, and the future of our country.
    For several decades the constitutional tides have been washing slowly ( and variably) further and further up the sands.
    In the early days self government was easily dismissed as the wishes of a tiny unrepresentative minority of the populous. This mentality is still to the fore with BBC Scotland which always likes to have three Unionists to one Independece supporter in any discussion.
    But any and each poll which gives independence a chance of success, forces our negative media onto the back foot. This is important in the perception of the options available to us. Catalans have also done us a favour by refusing to submit to State terrorism. It’s a positive feedback loop between them and us.
    Merry Christmas to all.

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    • Clydebuilt December 23, 2017 / 10:54 am

      Positive feedback loop. . . . That’s brilliant Gavin.

      Liked by 2 people

  6. Alasdair Macdonald December 22, 2017 / 9:53 pm

    The result in Catalunya is interesting. Essentially, the balance of the parties is pretty much the same and the split of the vote between pro and anti-independence is much the same, but, the turnout appears to be very high, higher than we had in our referendum. The mainstream media has given a fair amount of coverage. In fact, it was the first item of Good Morning Scotland. At one stage Gary Robertson said that the Citizens had ‘won’, but the person whom he was interviewing pointed out that they had got the largest number of seats, but it was only those who formed a governing coalition who could ‘win’ and that is likely to be the coalition of pro-independence groups.

    All of the broadcast channels are playing down this fact. All are presenting it as ‘no change’ and the need for some kind of conciliation, despite the fact that Rajoy is still talking like the Falangist he is. He is still talking about upholding the law. In an interview on Channel 4 a member of one of the independence parties mentioned that they wanted a referendum, ‘like Scotland had’. From his expression it seemed this did not go down too well with Jonathan Rugman. I suspect that they see anything in Catalunya ‘encouraging the Scots to be reckless’.

    Being ever the Calvinist, I will not get too excited about the reported 49% for YES. The margin of error could mean it is around 45% and that is DOWN on the previous 47% poll. What a miserable bugger!!!!!!

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    • johnrobertson834 December 23, 2017 / 9:03 am

      Can the margin of error go the other way and make us happier? Oslo, what about the margin of error on the 47%?


      • Alasdair Macdonald December 23, 2017 / 9:32 am

        The ‘We’re doomed” mindset requires that in all situations the worst that can happen is the least that can happen.

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    • daibhidhdeux December 24, 2017 / 5:46 am

      Check out Scot Goes Pop analysis on this, Alasdair.


  7. Clydebuilt December 23, 2017 / 11:07 am

    Surely Calvanism belongs on the Unionist side of the debate. Whatever the opposite of Calvanism is (positivity?) belongs (very much required) on the Pro Independence side.

    Not talking about head in the sand positivity

    So it’s a non Calvinist Seasons greetings to the usual culprits from all down the yard. I’m all right the rivets are roasting.

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  8. macgilleleabhar December 23, 2017 / 3:41 pm

    Can’t go back to paganism John as we never left it as Christmas is a new festival transposed onto Yule ,which is more apt ,as Yule celebrates the rebirth of the sun and the return of light. Let all Independent minded Scots hope that Stuart Campbell’s poll is a good omen for Scotland and the Scottish people and that we are about to save ourselves from our darkness.

    PS That’s without a drink. Should I seek counseling?

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  9. Brian December 23, 2017 / 5:16 pm

    I’m encouraged to see so many sages sounding positive about 49%. I’d love to be persuaded. But after 7 years of Tory govt we still aren’t out the 40s. Just how many more examples of heartless, inept, incompetent WM govt do we need before support for independence soars?

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    • William Henderson December 23, 2017 / 7:59 pm

      Perhaps some really well crafted satire would help tip the balance. Westminster serves up plenty of raw material and they seriously don’t like being lampooned.

      I’m reminded of how ‘Spitting Image’ in the 90s helped along the demise of the Tories. I know, it let in ‘New Labour’ but I think my point is still worthwhile in the Scottish scene.

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    • gavin December 23, 2017 / 10:18 pm

      I saw that the transport Minister Chris Grayling, is proposing a pay-for-miles cost for HGVs in the UK. The will be an obvious huge cost for Scottish industry and exports, and will damage our economy.
      How will this be played by the media? The usual Editorial shrug?
      What will Mundell do to protect Scottish interests—given his invisibility up till now?
      Is this in the Tory manifesto?

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