How could an independent Scotland protect its waters without the Royal Navy? Just the same?



Russian submarines have been regularly in Scottish waters over the last few years and the UK press have been sounding-off (is that sonar?) about it. See these:

In 2014, Britain had to call in NATO surveillance planes to look for a submarine hidden in Scottish waters. One of the planes was French! Oh, the shame of it all. And, it was probably flying the Russian version of the St Andrew’s cross to further confuse the issue.

Wait a minute, don’t I remember from WWII films how British destroyers hunted German submarines? Where were they? Well, we can surely relax now with six new Clyde-built Type 45 destroyers. We can’t relax? They’re relaxing?


(Image: Daily Mirror)

All of them, HMS Daring, Dauntless, Diamond, Dragon, Defender and Duncan, are in dock with equipment failures and even manpower shortages. OK, what about that new aircraft carrier. It will have surveillance planes on board. It doesn’t have any planes on board and it’s sprung a leak?



Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves? Aye right! How much would it cost to fit sonar and depth charges on the Caledonian MacBrayne fleet?


16 thoughts on “How could an independent Scotland protect its waters without the Royal Navy? Just the same?

  1. macgilleleabhar December 21, 2017 / 4:23 pm

    In all seriousness I believe the Swiss Navy is a more powerful force as they seem to have suitable boats in service to patrol their lakes.

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  2. DBGdotSCOT December 21, 2017 / 4:28 pm

    The Answer to the last of your Headline Questions:

    B E T T E R

    A Scottish Navy would be much more effective.

    Once upon a time:
    Fifer, Andrew Wood had a small fleet that ran rings around the English Navy.

    There is no reason to believe that modern day Scots are any less canny…


  3. Ludo Thierry December 21, 2017 / 5:06 pm

    Hi guys. I would have thought that the Type 45 Destroyer HMS DARING could be renamed HMS DARLING in honour of the head-honcho bloke from Bitter Together. After all, they share certain characteristics. They cost a lot to buy, they are both high maintenance, they are seldom available to do the job that the poor blinkin’ tax-payer is shelling out for – oh – and neither seems up to the job of defending Scotland’s interests.

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  4. gavin December 21, 2017 / 9:12 pm

    The old saw—-we have more Admirals than ships was actually true—when we had lots of ships.
    But, we now have as many moons as sea-worthy ships!

    What was the Better Together jibe? How will Scotland defend itself?

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  5. Ludo Thierry December 21, 2017 / 9:32 pm

    Hi Gavin – I seem to remember reading that at the outbreak of WW2 the Polish Army had more officers than ‘men’. I strongly suspect the RN will soon be in a position where there are more Admirals than Ratings. All very odd isn’t it? – The more gold braid that appears on the uniforms the fewer the ships to command – Whatever happens after Indy we cannot make a bigger cock-up of our Scottish Defence Force than Old Blighty has made of her imperial war machine -However hard we tried we couldn’t even begin to compete with Westminster/Whitehall’s lunatical abilities.

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  6. Clydebuilt December 22, 2017 / 9:18 am

    An Indrpendent Scotland will be better defended than Scotland is currently as a part of the UK. Excellent (long) letter on this on yesterday’s National. Plus less highly Toxic WMD based on the Clyde.

    We need to get “The Message” out to voters, inoculate them against the propaganda.

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  7. Alasdair Macdonald December 22, 2017 / 10:07 am

    Even when the Navy was at high strength in the 1950s and 1960s Iceland was able to win the Cod War!

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  8. Peter December 23, 2017 / 1:44 pm

    All we need is ONE patrol boat to be better protected tan we are now.


  9. prjohnston December 23, 2017 / 1:46 pm

    All we need is one patrol boat with a 40/60 bofors to be better protected than we are now.


  10. Nicolai Cull March 7, 2018 / 12:33 am

    The issue here is Theresa May and the Tories. They have stolen all our land, all our money all our resources.

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