Naming a RN submarine ‘Agincourt’


Dear Mr Grant
As my local MP, please raise my concerns, shared with others in Ayrshire, about the naming of a new Astute class submarine, ‘Agincourt.’ There are several reasons why this is a bad choice:

1. The battle of Agincourt predates British history.
2. The name is offensive to our NATO allies,France.

3. There were Scots serving in the French army.
4. The battle, on French soil, featured the slaughter of French and Scots prisoners of war.
5. The battle was part of a piratical invasion of another state.
6. The English army was led by a tyrannical, French-speaking, Anglo-Norman aristocracy, deeply unpopular back in England and Wales.
7. Scottish/Ayrshire taxpayers contributed to the costs of this vessel.

There is nothing heroic about this name. Please join the protest against it.

Yours sincerely

Professor John Robertson


Footnote: Readers may remember, in 2015, then Chancellor George Osborne, announcing £1m to be spent on commemoration of the battle, and describing the French and Scots, ‘an ill-judged alliance between the champion of a united Europe and a renegade force of Scottish nationalist.’

Renegades while still an independent nation?

13 thoughts on “Naming a RN submarine ‘Agincourt’

    • gavin May 19, 2018 / 7:37 am

      And the Herald has an article that whines about the lack of street parties in Scotland?
      From a columnist who thinks we should “apologise to England” about this.
      England’s royal family is England’s concern, I would have thought.

      But good luck to the happy couple. Meghan will need her wits about her from this day on.

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      • johnrobertson834 May 19, 2018 / 9:23 am

        It may be cancelled if the Home Office spot her with her mum.


      • John May 20, 2018 / 5:48 am

        Silence .

        Liked by 1 person

  1. broadbield May 19, 2018 / 7:16 am

    Osborne not only knew nothing of economics, but even less about history.

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  2. Maria Conley May 19, 2018 / 8:35 am

    This naming of this vessel just illuminates the ignorance of so many of our senior personell in the relevant forces !!!

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      • gavin May 19, 2018 / 9:46 am

        Harry is to be the Earl Of Dumbarton, apparently.
        Something for BBC Scotland to forget when he visits (if he visits). Like all the other irrelevant titles bestowed on these people. “As he is known in Scotland”. By whom, you have to ask. If they have to tell Scots what their Scottish nicknames are, maybe we don’t actually give a hoot what they are titled.

        I have to wonder, though. Has he ever BEEN to Dumbarton? Has his father, or any other member of the Royals?

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  3. John May 20, 2018 / 6:00 am

    Who are these people that are allowed to get away with appalling naming of buildings , ships , institutions etc. , what is the power they have to be able to be the deciders . I remember when the new Southern General was named it was to be the University Hospital , that to me had a ring about it that said things happen here , we explore new avenues here . Suddenly overnight it turned into The Queen Elizabeth Hospital , why , who decided that and why was that allowed to go ahead unchallenged .Lizzie had absolutely nothing to do with that hospital , it was Scottish Government funded , if they were going to change the name we should have had the chance to vote for what it was to be !

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    • johnrobertson834 May 20, 2018 / 7:50 am

      A small group of self-chosen, self-important people (management) who hope to gain something from their support for ‘the establishment’. Chomsky’s ‘interlocking elites’ – same schools, same university, same internships, same holiday locations, same wider social groups, same cultural tastes….no conspiracy required as by acting in their own interests they act in the interests of that same elite.

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      • gavin May 20, 2018 / 10:03 am

        Who all tend to end up in the House of Lords.

        One oddity—Labour have apparently proposed Pauline Bryan to be “elevated” to a Peerage.
        Pauline Bryan authored a book entitled “What would Keir Hardie say”.
        Well we already know. Keir Hardie wanted the Lords ABOLISHED more than a century ago.
        So what would Hardie say?
        He wanted the Lords ABOLISHED more than a century ago, so would be saddened by Labour’s hypocrisy on this, and Bryan’s acceptance.
        He wanted Scotland to have Dominion Status, so would not have recognised the picture painted of his views in this Labour tract.

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