Three years on, is Glasgow becoming the heart of the Scottish Independence movement?


Looking at the detail of the Survation poll four days ago which put support for independence at 43%, the figures for Scotland’s largest city stand-out.

57.7% said they had voted for independence in 2014 while 62.4% said they would vote for it now. All the other parts of Scotland recorded less than 50% for this question. Similarly, with regard to SNP support, Glasgow’s figure was 52.8% support while no other region was reported higher than 43%.

I appreciate that Dundee may have recorded similar or better figures than Glasgow but they were bundled with those for North-East Scotland and so not observable.

Finally, asked to what extent they supported the proposed ban on parents smacking their child, Glasgow was the most in favour of the ban with 22.5% ‘strongly opposed’ to smacking and the other regions all recording less than 20% ‘strongly opposed’. Is there a correlation (weak I know) between support for independence for Scotland and for your children?



17 thoughts on “Three years on, is Glasgow becoming the heart of the Scottish Independence movement?

  1. Ludo Thierry September 18, 2017 / 5:43 pm

    Hi John – Please don’t think I’m going off topic here – because there may be a fairly strong correlation with the Glasgow Effect you are identifying.

    John – I don’t know if you are aware of it but you are turning us all into alert readers or something?! Grabbing my late afternoon coffee I did a very quick breenge around the various news sources I try to monitor and came across a press release which doesn’t seem to have had a whole lot of coverage (although I understand it has had some coverage in a certain tabloid often associated in the Public Memory with a certain Vow or something).

    The press release I saw was on the site and carries today’s date – parts carried below:

    The press release relates to the application of Enhanced Enforcement Areas in the Govanhill locality in Glasgow.

    For info – Enhanced Enforcement Area process was brought into being with the Housing Scotland Act 2014 (section 28). Drafted by the SNP Scottish Govt The stated objective being:


    The overall objective is to introduce discretionary powers that will support local authorities to tackle some of the worst levels of private rented sector property condition and management standards, within areas suffering from poor environmental standards, overcrowding and a prevalence of anti-social behaviour. This contributes to the Scottish Government’s work on improving standards and quality within the private rented sector.

    The objective fits with the Scottish Government’s strategic ‘Safer and Stronger Scotland’ objective. This helps local communities to flourish, becoming stronger, safer places to live and offering improved opportunities and better quality of life.

    The press release informs us that SNP led Glasgow City Council is – in partnership with the SNP Scottish Govt – applying the new law to take firm action to act against multiple identified rogue landlords:

    (SNP led) Glasgow City Council has set aside almost £50 million to bring up to 500 properties under public ownership as an investigation revealed many homes to be in a state of squalor and landlords having serious criminal convictions.

    In the past nine months, a total of 22 landlords with millions of pounds worth of homes in the Govanhill area have been banned from renting properties. The figure includes nine from the last month alone.

    The landlords now face losing the properties under compulsory purchase laws, unless they agree to sell them to the local authority.

    An investigation revealed that properties owned by the banned landlords were in dangerous and unhygienic conditions, many of which were rented out to eastern European immigrants for as much as £500 a month for rooms with no hot water, dangerous wiring, poor sanitation and faulty windows.

    (SNP led) Glasgow City Council is the first in Scotland to apply Enhanced Enforcement Area (EEA) provisions to tackle the problem head on.

    A team within the (SNP led) council’s housing department plans to crack down on more landlords in the next few weeks. They have permission to enter properties without the owners’ permission.

    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, whose Holyrood constituency contains many of the properties, explained: “I welcome the fact that as a result of community, Government and (SNP led) Glasgow Council efforts, rogue landlords are being identified and action is being taken to improve properties in the area.

    “Govanhill is a vibrant community and working alongside the new (SNP) administration in Glasgow and the local community, I will continue to champion improvements in the area.”

    Richard Brown, executive director for development and regeneration services at (SNP led) Glasgow City Council, added: “Whenever there is evidence that a landlord is no longer a suitable person to rent out property or they fail to manage their property appropriately, we will always seek to take action.

    “Govanhill has been an area of the city where particular problems with landlords have been identified.

    “The additional powers available to us through Govanhill’s Enhanced Enforcement Area are helping us to improve standards.”

    Fourteen housing blocks in Govanhill now fall under the enforcement area.

    Development and regeneration manager at Govanhill Housing Association, Ken MacDougall, said: “We’ve campaigned long and hard to ensure there is more regulation of the private rental sector.”

    I strongly suspect that it is this type of tangible good governance by the SNP, at all levels of Scottish political life that is, bit by little bit, moving a Scottish electorate (an electorate battered, bruised and bewildered by centuries of BritNat misrule and downright thievery) to the point where the CONFIDENCE to choose Independence is now there.

    Ordinary decent electors are begining to ask (and answer) the question – If we can start to address 300 years of apalling mismanagement under the painful shortcomings of devolution – what could we achieve with the REAL POWERS of Independence?

    Thanks all, Ludo

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  2. Brian Powell September 18, 2017 / 6:00 pm

    I wonder what the less than 50% parts think is going to happen.

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  3. Brian Powell September 18, 2017 / 6:17 pm

    The stark reality is only one part of the 55% who voted No in 2014 won, because it was made up of Tory and Labour voters, and as the Tories are in power in Westminster around 65% of the time, it was the Tories who ‘won’ the No Referendum. Tory ideology and policies are imposed on the Labour No voters and the 45% Yes voters, though the 45% and those Labour No voters share a common approach to what kind of society they want.
    For example, Brexit is a Tory construct but we all are dragged in thought we didn’t support it.

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  4. Ludo Thierry September 18, 2017 / 6:25 pm

    Hi Brian – hopefully that logical argument that you pose is starting to deeply permeate a section of the electorate which voted ‘No’ 3 years ago. My contention is that the ‘questioning’ of the logical position must be paired up with active evidence of good governance (how Scotland can and will be better under Indy) – and that this twin-track approach will deliver a majority next time. we have to hold to the truism that ‘Westminster can’t fool enough of the people enough of the time’ – Ta, Ludo

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  5. Ludo Thierry September 18, 2017 / 7:03 pm

    Hi John – agreed – absolutely – but 2007, 2011, 2014 (closer than expected), 2015 and 2016 expressions of popular will have started – I won’t put it stronger than that – to change the lie of the land. Now we all have to find ways to actively demonstrate to those who are on the cusp of toppling over into the logic of ‘YES’ that Indy can, indeed, make real – and fairly rapid – impact on their daily lives (and their children’s life prospects). It is close – so close I can almost taste it – but we need to keep pushing on in a really disciplined formation – Thanks, Ludo

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  6. ebreah September 19, 2017 / 8:56 am

    Dear Sir, I am going through:

    The Radical Rising: The Scottish Insurrection of 1820
    by Peter Berresford-Ellis & Seumas Mac A’ Ghobhainn
    (ISBN-13: 978-1780273839)

    It is a slow read for because a) it is not in a particular writing style that I am used to, b) a painful read (not that it is badly written, the buried truth hurts especially in the face of injustice and c) I am prone to get ridiculously angry after finishing a chapter or two. I am recommending this book to you and all the readers here because the authors went to great lengths to uncover the said buried truth and interpret it appropriately. This book, for me, has succinctly explain why the Scottish radical movement is where it is now.

    The part relevant to your post can be found at ppg. 88-90. The authors attributed radicalism in Scotland to Gaelic pscyhe/worldview of communal lifestyle; they resisted feudalism when introduced by David I, resisted the Clearances and were finally forced to migrate (to the cities and overseas), and retained that psyche long after they stopped speaking Gaelic. We all know the bulk of the Gaels cleared moslty settled in Glasgow.It was the reason given as to why the Radical Rising centred around Glasgow and the Highlands (as were the previous uprisings and the ones after the Radical Rising, in my opinion).

    Therefore it is not surprising that Glasgow is becoming the centre of the independence movement. This is merely a continuation of a revolt against injustice and equality as perceived by the Gael psyche/worldview.

    On a logical aspect, the second indyref will be won when the majority of Central Belt, Dundee, Aberdeen, Inverness and other major towns vote for it. If we were to get the Central Belt to vote for it, half the battle is solved. This is where the fight for the votes lies.

    I hope that makes sense. Please please buy the book and read the particular pages anyway.


    • johnrobertson834 September 19, 2017 / 10:26 am

      Thanks so much. Fascinating. I will follow this up though as I’m still recovering from depression may postpone reading it.


    • johnrobertson834 September 19, 2017 / 10:28 am

      Again, many thanks. That looks a very interesting read. I’ll definitely read it.


    • Alasdair Macdonald September 19, 2017 / 7:32 pm

      This looks like the kind of information that BBC Scotland and the unionists really like – Scotland getting WORSE! Now, if you can find information that shows that all of this height reduction occurred after 2007, there is a job for you on Pacific Quay!


  7. Ludo Thierry September 19, 2017 / 8:20 pm

    Brilliant comment Alasdair – got me chuckling well and truly! – Cheers, ludo

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